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  1. Thanks to all who are bringing to light the nightmare that is protracted benzodiazapine withdrawal injury.
    It is a serious, debilitating condition, and in my opinion, one that in most cases, could be totally avoidable.
    Going on two years since cold turkey off 1 mg. clonazepam nightly…and still suffering!
    I had NO idea I had become dependent on this sinister drug, until it was too late. Gaslighting by the prescriber and others in the medical community only added insult to injury & I got zero help from them. I was on my own to try and navigate this hellish nightmare of benzo withdrawal on my own.
    It didn’t need to be this way
    Patients pay dearly for the ignorance/arrogance of prescribers who, apparently are trained by the pharmaceutical companies. Informed consent is one way to prevent these heinous crimes against unwitting patients. Had I known the possible dangers of Clonazepam, I would never have agreed to take it! I didn’t know. Now I DO, but it’s too late for me. But it’s NOT TOO LATE TO SAVE OTHERS FROM THIS HELLISH NIGHTMARE THAT IS BENZODIAZAPINE WITHDRAWAL!!

  2. Im sorry but their are people like myself who depend on taking a benzodiazepine medication for the rest of their lives just to be able to live a life when your diagnosed with crippling chronic panic agoraphobia Moderate recurrent major depression General anxiety disorder etc . Antidepressants are a joke and do not help, I take two Cymbalta and Paxil and have been on antidepressants 20 years same with benzos, I don’t abuse them I take them daily as prescribed, I was off my benzos for over a yr and I was not living just barely existing, So I went to my psychiatrist and had him put me back on my Valium which is the benzo that really does help me, no patient should be made to taper from any medications unless they are ready I do not think it’s appropriate for any professional to determine whether a patient is ready or not and you can tell the difference between addiction and physical dependency if your medical professional you should! That would be like a medical professional making me taper off my blood pressure pills because I and prescribed lisinopril and clonidine and metoprolol, as well for my high blood pressure and my high pulse diagnosis and health issues clonidine is known to be addictive as well so why is it that nobody talks about oh well people should taper from blood pressure medicines, it’s always either the opiates or benzodiazepines that seem to be targeted which is not fair because some people actually do need those or one of the those medications to just live!

  3. Multiple comments were unable to be made on the document you provided. The comments document did not have to be so confusing. I have much wisdom and firsthand experience of Benzodiazepine dependence and discontinuation -and yet the opportunity to provide feedback was laborious and unnecessary.
    I 100% support the Benzodiazepine Information Coalitions Top concerns and general concerns regarding The Clinical Practice Guideline on Benzodiazepine Tapering.
    As it stands the draught version needs to align itself more from the Benzodiazepine Community comments plus absorb the Benzodiazepine Information Coalition’s suggested amendments.

  4. 💯% to all written. Here in NZ we dont even get a leaflet about the drugs now and it seems its up to individuals to look up their own medication info and also to check for interactions. Our drs should know more and instead of dishing out these meds like a sweet shop. There seems to be no questions asked about other health issues someone has, we have been left alone, over here anyway, with the reliance of coming off safely by our – thank god they exist -social media platforms. Advice on these are invaluable and its a shame more drs and prescribers havent joined to see what their actions are creating. Rest homes are another area I have an issue with. My late mothers meds were quite clearly stopped and with me going through this awful, lonely process, its very clear that a lot of her mood and symptoms in the rest home were related to her not being monitored to take meds she had been on for years. I have given my dr and our Mental Health providers so many resources and although I cant be certain she/they ‘overlooked’ reading them, I would be fairly certain they would be in the too hard to do file. We also have no support. I am fortunate to be financially secure so I can pay a lady to be a companion, something that has helped me overcome some of my fears but many are left alone without any follow up from their providers. We should be treated like having a brain injury where the necessary treatments and peer support is made available. NZ’s health system is poor and it appears this new epidemic, which I believe it will become, NZ will not be able to handle unless those prescribing follow stricter guidelines in their knowledge of what these meds do. They just dont want to listen or believe that people are going through such enormous suffering – thanks BIC and all the other places on Social Media for all your help and resources.

  5. I agree with all you have said in the letter. I had trouble making sure that a comment was entered and still am not sure if it went through. I filled in the disclosure and used two 0’s for a general comment about BIND and the dangers of using many medications when the GABA receptors are not healed. When done , I got the message that I already had done the survey. I filled out another comment and the same thing happened. So, what did that mean? Also, it would have taken me weeks to comment on the whole document, I would have done it. I feel very discouraged and want to tell all of them to read all the cases on benzobuddies, read all that your organization has printed and lastly read and listen to anything that is put out by Dr. Jennifer Leigh who knows more than most doctors and scientists in this country. Dr. Leigh is the only one that I have found who helps those of us who spend many years in BIND. I was put on a benzo when I should not have been. It had nothing to do with anxiety, rather a horrendous reaction to prednisone. I am well educated, had no idea about the dangers of benzo pills and neither did my doctor.This is a disgrace. What are our med schools doing? Young and old doctors I have seen are clueless about the dangers of these drugs.

  6. I’m very distraught my comment is not here looks like I forgot to do the disclaimer. Is there anyway to fix this?

  7. Hello BIC powerful comments, I hope that these along with all the comments they will have received will move things. I hope there will be a chance to review an updated document. Thank you so much for supporting benzo sufferers. I hope there will be formal continuing medical education for deprescribing. Doctors know how to prescribe but not the opposite.
    I told my gp who is helping me of this and she replied that this is a real combat.
    Status quo is not an option, hope this will have an international rebound.
    France Pachebat

  8. I started on klonipan in December 2008 under the guidance of a physician. I never reacted well to the medication and asked repeatedly to be taken off. This finally happened in May 2010, also under the guidance of this same physician. There was essentially no taper and this cold turkey withdrawal has caused years of protracted withdrawal and pain (BIND). It has been 14 years now that I have been dealing with the effects of taking a medication as prescribed. I am hopeful that with time my brain will continue to heal. Physicians and patients must know the full scope of what this medication can do.

  9. My wife and I are seniors. I successfully tapered from Xanax at a daily dose of 1.5 mg which I had taken over a ten year period. I took me 18 months to complete with the help of the Ashton Manual, a prescribing nurse practitioner and compounding pharmacy.
    My wife has been on Xanax for more than thirty years. I helped her taper from 6 mg per day to 4 mg per day over a two year period. She ultimately decided to stopped tapering and has stayed at that dose.
    My wife had difficulty over the years getting prescriptions renewed when her prescribing doctors retired or moved to new practices. It was chaotic and frightening. So many doctors will not prescribe at all despite your need or history or want to reduce your dose by 25% every week thinking you can get to zero in a month.

    I think you have done an excellent job on your review and setting forth meaningful comments on the draft

  10. I’m a 74 year old physician, board certified in geriatric medicine, with not an insignificant background in the treatment of chemical dependency, having both published a review article on the topic and served as a staff member on an outpatient alcohol and drug center. I am a victim (no more hyperbolic than a someone experiencing a car accident through no fault of their own is a victim) of reckless benzodiazepine prescribing and inappropriately rapid tapering, resulting in 4 years of my life lost literally asleep until 4-5 pm daily and subsequently now 13.5 months of withdrawal symptoms, (thus far) such as completely disrupted sleep of no more than 0 to 4 hours daily, with a daily fight against daytime somnolence, as well as irritability, after a 3.5 week “inpatient” taper in an inpatient rehabilitation hospital (no credentials in chemical dependency). I was prescribed clonazepam now over 9 years ago, for severe migraines (not an indication) thought to be stress related to my career in academic medicine. The dose was gradually increased from 1 to 4 mg (the latter dose equivalent to 80 mg of diazepam).
    I agree with all of the BIC recommended edits, but most especially for extremely slow tapers with tiny hyperbolic decreases in dosing, not using adjuvant or substitute agents, as these can only complicate the clinical picture, especially in older patients, and withdrawal can be more effectively accomplished with the benzodiazepine itself, deleting the terms adherence and non-adherence—-these terms diminish the dignity and powerof the patient in what should be shared decision-making in a very complicated decision, with little clear guidance, older patients should not be treated any differently than any other patients and not be forced to discontinue the benzodiazepines, and lastly, I am very distressed by the short time period that ASAM allowed for feedback. ASAM reopen the comment period and make the feedback mechanisms more simple.

  11. Excellent response from BIC to a shockingly inadequate and dangerous document from ASAM. One of the most stunning facts is the FDA monies for this “project” going to ASAM. Of course,terms such as “adherence” and”adhere” are utilized . This is addiction medicine utilizing addiction language. Lack of full disclosure and informed consent, forced age-based medication withdrawal,”provider” guided weaning schedules, “counseling”,(where’s the mandated 12-step program???),regular re-evals for yet MORE medical “intervention” based on ignorant,reckless “provider”judgement…and on and on we go. The only thing missing from this train wreck is Court ordered benzo withdrawal at the “provider’s judgement”. So,SO thankful I’m off,and for the “Ashton Manual”,which helped save my life. God help anyone forced to use these ASAM “guidelines”.

  12. I had already made a comment on the guidelines yesterday. I knew from your blogs here that multiple comments could be made at different times. When the questionnaire asked if I wanted to make another comment, I put, “no”, as I was done with that session and knew I could return to comment again. That was not the case. When I tried, just now, to add a second comment, it said I had already commented. So I have been closed out.

    If I may, here is the second comment I would have made had they allowed me as I understood they would:

    You, the team that have formed this initial draft, have made decisions that, to me at least, are very puzzling indeed.

    You have accepted the responsibility from the FDA to create these guidelines.

    In doing so, you have tacitly acknowledged that you are capable, competent, experienced, and responsible enough to take on this most consequential and life-impacting task. The lives of multiplied thousands, perhaps more, will be impacted, changed, by the decisions you make in these guidelines.

    Yet, you, for some reason, have excluded those medical professionals with the actual first hand experience of these devastating drugs with consequences that simply cannot be imagined, because the side effects of these drugs and the taper and withdrawal from them are outside the experience of anyone who hasn’t taken them. Even the possibility that something this horrible could exist is a shock and difficult to grasp. But you have, with deliberate choice, excluded those medical professionals who, through the combination of their training and their experience can best guide the process of decision making in giving “guidelines” on this subject.

    But now, here we are on the (arbitrarily chosen by you), last day feedback from the public can be given in response to the draft you have created.

    This feedback has been available all along. The information, the testimonials, the videos, the articles, the books, the television exposure. You surely know of all of it. At least, you should, given the responsible position in which you find yourselves, the position you accepted.

    So, why do you need public feedback? As I said, it has all already been said.

    Is this an attempt on your part to show that you are making an effort in good faith to hear us? If so, why did you not make the obvious good faith effort in the beginning by choosing these experienced medical professionals which you in fact excluded? And if you weren’t interested in their guidance, on what basis are we to believe you are interested in ours?

    To cut to the chase, it appears very much that this is all an effort to look compassionate and caring, when in fact you will do what you decide regardless. That is certainly what you did in excluding them.

    Prove me wrong by making the changes they are requesting, based on the truth, and what is genuinely best for the patients.

  13. I’m a 74 year old physician, board certified in geriatric medicine, and a victim (no more hyperbolic than a someone experiencing a car accident through no fault of their own is a victim) of reckless benzodiazepine prescribing and inappropriately rapid tapering, resulting in 4 years of my life lost literally asleep until 4-5 pm daily and subsequently 13.5 months of withdrawal symptoms, such as completely disrupted sleep of no more than 0 to 4 hours daily, with a daily fight against daytime somnolence, as well as irritability, after a 3.5 week taper

  14. I agree with your comments. There is a large percentage of prescribed benzos users that develop a strong dependency on them, and I am one. It has taken me over three years to self-taper from 15 mg of valium to 4.75 mg. I had no help nor encouragement from my doctors; I did it on my own from information that I obtained from nonmedical sources on the internet. I learned about slow, logarithmic, micro-tapering to minimize withdrawal effects. I am a physical scientist and I have a very low regard for the psychiatric medical profession.

  15. You hit the points perfectly. .
    This group made this this not an easy task to put in comments.
    Hope they got the message and understand the ramifications of these guidelines that were not good .
    Thank you for all your hard work

    1. Very thorough and well done! Thank you, all, for your time and effort into this incredibly important matter!

  16. I agree with everything mentioned above. I was prescribed Klonopin long term and had no idea what it was doing to me except I just kept getting sicker and sicker. Unfortunately when I learned of the side effects of long term use I immediately checked myself into a rehab. 6 weeks later I left the hospital with disabling withdrawal symptoms and severe PTSD from too fast of a WD. I am one year post WD and still suffering. Yes the Dr who prescribed this drug to me (he said long term use was no problem at all) and Klonopin has ruined my life. I just pray everyday I will be whole again and at 67 I have now lost 5 years of my life to a benzodiazepine. Also, I feel I was completely alone in this entire process- it seems no MD understands the scope of symptoms that can and will arise from BZD. There has to be a whole new way to educate all medical professionals about BZD and I am very happy to see this BZD withdrawal guideline being updated with the correct procedures.

  17. Everything you voiced concerns about are valid concerns. Having stopped cold turkey due to no available support after taking the prescribed dose for 30 days, reading the research you publish on your site and now the guidelines they want to impose to get people off this drug as fast as possible I’m inclined to believe (based on my own ongoing nightmare for more than two years) that they’ve finally acknowledged the fact that these drugs damage the brain. Temporary or permanent remains to be seen at least in my case, no protracted withdrawal should last two or more years. BIND (Benzodiazepine Induced Neurological Damage) is a more true and accurate term. This wasn’t even mentioned anywhere I saw in these guidelines. I tried to get help, every psychiatrist I saw told me I was crazy, suicidal, suffering from a “childhood trauma” that had never been addressed. I had someone with me to advocate that shot their diagnoses down, I’m grateful for that. If the ASAM don’t listen and amend these portions of their guidelines, it will leave a lot of patients wanting, confused and desperate.

    They need to get this right, the first time. Thank all of you for all you do, you’re more appreciated than you know.

  18. Excellent experienced comments
    as someone that was trying to find help for four months and not one psychiatrist or doctor would help me.
    I had to find help online on a benzo site. My doctor that prescribed these for me after the death of my husband wouldn’t even help me. Never told me how addictive they were. I lost over 30 pounds plus horrible withdrawals while trying to find somebody to help me.
    Currently I’m on a water taper and I have been for six or seven months. AT
    At seventy two years old I never expected to be doing this. This drug lorazepam has ruined my health and my life. not only did I lose my husband, but I also lost myself.

  19. I believe everything mentioned was on point. I hope that ASAM reviews and accepts the notations. I feel like the only way our voices would be heard truly is when there are more people harmed. That’s very sad. Or if a member on the ASAM board were to go through the hell that so many have gone through. These drugs should be illegal. Thank you so much for letting us participate.